Episode

Why the next AI boom is physical AI | Caitlin Kalinowski (ex-OpenAI, Meta, Apple)

Caitlin Kalinowski, a hardware leader who built devices at Apple, led VR and AR hardware at Meta, and most recently built OpenAI's robotics program, argues physical AI is the next frontier once digital AI capabilities saturate. She discusses humanoid robot safety and supply-chain fragility, lessons from Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sam Altman on excellence and ambition, why she left OpenAI over the Department of War deal's governance, and what makes robots feel non-threatening and human-connected.