Episode

The $1B Al company training ChatGPT, Claude & Gemini on the path to responsible AGI | Edwin Chen

Edwin Chen, founder and CEO of Surge AI, discusses how his company reached $1B revenue in under 4 years with fewer than 100 people while remaining completely bootstrapped. He explains Surge's role in training AI models through high-quality human feedback data and argues that many AI labs are optimizing for wrong metrics like engagement rather than truth and productivity, potentially steering AGI development in harmful directions.